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Howard Lemon (2 months ago)
This was revealed years ago. Stop the click bait.
KarlVyt (2 months ago)
On 6:06 King Robert will have and unfortunate accident, and the throne will pass to his sullen and brutal son Joffrey, still a minor. Joffrey will not be sympathetic and Ned will be accused of treason, but before he is taken he will help his wife and his daughter Arya escape back to Winterfell..
Not Alfie (3 months ago)
There is absolutely NO WAY that Jon, Arya, Bran, Dany and Tyrion will all survive on the show. I'm pretty sure Daenerys, Jon and Bran will all die (it makes sense narratively speaking because all three of them are very important and strongly connected to the supernatural and i'm pretty certain GoT will end with dragons and white walkers extinct from the world along with magic). I could see Arya and Tyrion surviving but Arya seems like the kind of character that would go down fighting. I think Tyrion, Sam, Gilly and baby Sam would be the most likely survivors. I could also see Bronn, Brienne, Yara and Theon surviving. (maybe Podrick as well?)
Slow Boat Sailing (3 months ago)
The Sansa, Arya, and their mom’s fate have not come true. The Jon and Arya love affair has never materialized.
Abbella DiNoto (3 months ago)
Those letters are so damm old. One talks about Kahl Drogo .. seriously. This is bullshit this was more of a spoiler alert 5 years ago
Jori Bremer (3 months ago)
that was his 1st draft, a lot has changed, (like the Story, characters, etc.)
xXImikoXx (3 months ago)
I've paused here at 0:01. I just want to say this: I love your content, I hope you keep making more. But anything pertaining to "Leaks," "Spoilers," etc. I will not be watching. It's the same with all the other content creators. This is LITERALLY the last "Ride" we'll all get to enjoy from Game of Thrones. The last time any of us will be surprised at what we see, as we watch what unfolds. I don't want that spoiled in any way, shape or form. So, again: Love your stuff, love what you do. But, I pass on the Spoilers/Leaks based content.
xXImikoXx (2 months ago)
Well since you can't read there's no point in me writing, "Yeah, I didn't. That was the whole point of my comment." as a reply. I'm amazed you can type but not read.
Phoenixbeast Legends (2 months ago)
xXImikoXx then dont watch it
Vonetta Sylvestre (3 months ago)
I like the plot we eventually got in the books. Better character development.
R Rocco (3 months ago)
Danny is going to die. Jaime will kill Cersei. Euron Greyjoy will kill a lot of people, the good guys like Jorah and all. Jaime, Euron and someone else will flee Kings Landing Before Danny burns and kills everyone inside the city (yeah, she's cruel af) deadly clash between dragons, dragon fire nor dragon glass inflict damage upon the NIght King, which happens to be Brann, attempting to go back in ttime to prevent the Children of the Forest on ever creating it as a weapon to defend them agains the First Men. Jon will go to the God's eye and kill Brann with Longclaw, which will burst into flames and glow red. Danny will die on childbirth, giving Jon his only child, which is a girl he will name Lyanna. Tyrion, Arya and Jon survive the Winter. Most of the other characters are going to die, then die again. Don't like to bear bad news for people, but Martin said the ending would be bittersweet since 1994. As to motives why Brann, or Night King would try to destroy all what we call "life"? No freaking clue.
TAZY (3 months ago)
R Rocco Absolute shit
funlover1977 (3 months ago)
crap as always in this channel
Roger De Freese (3 months ago)
No faith in this since a lot of this information has changed over the course of the show and books as well.
paul notpaul (3 months ago)
I'm interested in the stuff you talk about BUT couldn't you get someone else to read it??? Your voice just drones on n on n makes me want to throw my phone in the deepest lake I could find that's if your voice doesn't send me to sleep
Tamera Shields (3 months ago)
The book read here seems way different then the tv series
Have a look at the picture Maisie Williams posted to her Instagram #lastonestanding
Aaron Richmond (3 months ago)
Dude, slow down and enunciate!
Brent Dickson (3 months ago)
Your English is terrible. Sounds like a robot. You're as good at it as a retard trying to fuck a bowling ball.
Kaustubh Deshmukh (3 months ago)
Phiss phiss phiss phiss you sound like snake.
WhiterunGuard (3 months ago)
wait Brienne of tarth doesnt survive? fuck me
Jessica Smith (3 months ago)
He spells Danys name wrong! Fake!!!
sebatian (3 months ago)
Jon Snow DIES???!!!
Margaret Choffel (3 months ago)
Tryion may be hopelessly in love with Dany from the look we saw when Jon went into her room... So the rivalry still might take place but over Dany, not Arya..
Philip Black (3 months ago)
I'm fairly disappointed it will all end with Jon killing Bran, to by proxy kill the Night King. To have the entire plot end with Bran warging back into the past to become the night king, is just.....meh.
Brendan Ward (3 months ago)
1:10 - Did George R R Martin actually type "principle characters"?
Eric Rawlings (3 months ago)
They've changed so much on the show and George may have changed his mind by now too.
Eric Rawlings (3 months ago)
This letter has been shown a long time ago.
Gulsah Taner (3 months ago)
ı can't understand what tou are talking about
Matt Gutierrez (3 months ago)
Thumbs down.... this is ollllldddddd news
Entrisen (3 months ago)
This is annoying, because this is super old news. I was hoping you somehow got hold on the blocked part of the text or something. This has been covered countless times by others already
Oleksandra Myrna (3 months ago)
This letter is very old news. He was quite aggravated that it went public, because he has confirmed that he made a mostly random outline because he had to submit something. The story has changed since that letter and he himself disregards this letter.
Planet Brucifer (3 months ago)
Thanks man it doesn’t sound like your reading it as fast your the shit tho ty for the videos
The Adversary ! (3 months ago)
It's almost certainly changed by now
Aidan (3 months ago)
Brandon Lowe (3 months ago)
Major clickbait, very disappointed
where the weirwood grows (3 months ago)
he wrote that letter a long time ago and has been quoted that he has since then changed his plans. look it up.
Ricky Esney (3 months ago)
So sansa dies? Don't know how I feel about that. I couldn't stand her at the beginning, but her character is starting to grow on me now. Wonder how she dies.
Gordon Adams (3 months ago)
The problem is George has changed things and hasnt followed the outline 100%. You can find the 1993 outline online with the ending not redacted.
Chris Brown (3 months ago)
he died in the book and came back too
Prince Deluca (3 months ago)
Old new you piece of shit!!!!
Nico104 (3 months ago)
He didn't mention Sansa. :O
slumlord86 (3 months ago)
this is so old, fire and blood is desperate for views
Elizabeth Hurley (3 months ago)
If Daenerys Tyrion and Sansa die I’m gonna go spaz
Vojtěch Bednárik (3 months ago)
Who likes Sansa? She's one of the worst characters :D
Fefnir Eindraer (3 months ago)
wow the book is horrible (according to the notes), the show is vastly superior...
The Awesomeness of kids (3 months ago)
Stoped watching becous this duded voice is anoying not trying to be mean
Chris Stephens (3 months ago)
Thanks to Sophie Turner’s new tattoo, we pretty much know the rest of the Starks survive. And I’m pretty sure that’s what the producers are pushing for. The Stark family was put through hell for 7 seasons, fans are ready to see this family dominate.
Sam Burns (2 months ago)
As long as the rest of the Starks includes Jon (yes, I know he's technically a Targaryen).
Jon Haymaker (3 months ago)
Jon, Arya, Bran, Dany, and Tyrion survive? I'm good with that.
Jon Haymaker (3 months ago)
It's like Schrodinger's cat.
i Devastate (3 months ago)
W Both could be true in a sense that 20 years ago, GRRM meant to write a story in which Bran survives but has decided otherwise after progressing through the story. Hence making this letter legit while also making it irrelevant because GRRM could have altered the story as a whole already. Remember how in the letter, the whole story is only suppose to be 3 books, that means the story is not completely the same as what he meant to write 20 years ago. "Theory" is a really terrible way to back up your argument.
W (3 months ago)
i Devastate how could both be true lol the video says he lives but the theory I read said he dies, he can't live and die lol
i Devastate (3 months ago)
W, there's a good chance that both vould be true. We have no idea how much GRRM has decided to change over 2 decades of writting.
Jon Haymaker (3 months ago)
HBO released a lot of fake leaks to throw people off.
altfrags (3 months ago)
nice click bait
Karan Bhukan (3 months ago)
well that's some huge shit
Nexis 1 (3 months ago)
Kill Sansa please, kill her twice
Alexandra Kimbink (1 month ago)
+Marina and the Almonds yeah Jon had handed everything on a plate and Daenerys had to fight so much harder. Never heard so much bullshit and I'm not a Jon Snow fan. Daenerys would be nothing if she didn't have her dragons. If it wasn't for Ser Barristan, she wouldn't even be alive anymore.
Jason Howell (2 months ago)
Marina and the Almonds Also they have a big twist coming in season 8, so who the hell knows what will happen, I hope Dany and Jon win but have a feeling it's not going to be easy and simple, GRRM said it would be a bitter sweet ending.
Jason Howell (2 months ago)
Marina and the Almonds That WOMAN bended for Jon too, but not the knee, the waist.
Marina and the Almonds (3 months ago)
Not Alfie Listen to this humourless Jon snow fag lol, I don't think you could put anybody in there place with that immature childlike argument. But but but Jon only bent the knee because he wanted to fuck Daenery lol, is that right. Jon needs a penis first to be able to fuck something, Jons only got 1 inch at best. Can't wait to see the scene were dany is laughing with Misanday about Jon being so small. The rightful heir is Dany always has been always will be. Truth is Jon know a better person when he see one, that's why he bent the knee like Danys bitch. All the north will be shouting queen of the north when dany saves there worthless arses and Jon snow will be dead and long forgotten. Jon saying DRACARYS is about as boring and underwhelming an experience as you can imagine. I will probably fall asleep. Ghost is going to love his new owner dany, Jon has neglected ghost for about 3 seasons now, ghost will be playing with Dany and ghost will be rejecting Jon like the plague, it's going to be marvellous. Come to think about it, when Jon gets turned into a white walker by the nights king, Jon's new title will be SNOW WHITE.
Marina and the Almonds (3 months ago)
Nexis 1 hilarious , have you just seen this humourless moron reply ? , he sounds tragic 😀😀😀 lmao. I'm guessing a bitter Jon snow stan
JuggerNyan (3 months ago)
Arya make out? Yes please..
Duke Silver (3 months ago)
I just don't see Jon an Dany both surviving. Bran either to be honest, but maybe. Arya👍 Tyrion👍
Rob Hamilton (3 months ago)
You are an asshole just posting this 5 hours ago. This is old ass news. Years old, get with it man.
Leslie M. Isaacs (3 months ago)
I've seen and heard a lot of this before, but you've included parts I have NEVER seen or heard. Thank you for sharing!
Richard Morenberg (3 months ago)
it's already changed so much
Brittany Garrison (3 months ago)
I hate every single one of them. Hope Arya dies miserable. Want Cersei, Night King or Varys to win. Anything else will be super gay and suck balls.
J (3 months ago)
Really hope the Night King wins!
Daemon Blackfyre (3 months ago)
Sansa was always a traitor. 😂😂😂
Daemon Blackfyre (3 months ago)
Alexandra Caroline A mistake she did not learn from. That moment showed her what Cersei and the Lannisters truly were. She chose to ignore it. Her wolf dying was her wake up call but she still desired a fairy tale.
Alexandra Caroline (3 months ago)
Had she known what possbile consequences going to Cersei would have, she would have never gone to her, but Ned failed to educate her. And as you said it: she was immediately punished for lying at the Trident because HER wolf was killed.
Daemon Blackfyre (3 months ago)
Alexandra Caroline I don't count the show as source. Sansa willingly went to Cersei after Ned told her they must leave all because she loved Joffery. But to be honest she betray her family also when she lied on the Trident and her wolf died. First sign of her wicked ways. Take that from a real rebel and traitor.
Alexandra Caroline (3 months ago)
Ned's own words resulted in his death. He confronted Cersei about his knowledge that her children weren't Robert's children. And Sansa never intended to betray her father. She didn't know that it was dangerous to go to Cersei. However, Ned had no plans of leaving KL too so maybe Sansa and Arya could have left safely but Ned wanted to stay at KL. And in the TV show, Sansa never goes to Cersei so that betrayal didn't even happen on TV.
Daemon Blackfyre (3 months ago)
Alexandra Kimbink She literally betray her father's plan to Cersei resulting in his death. And that's not putting into count GRRM actually intended for her to betray the Starks and side with the Lannisters.
Daemon Blackfyre (3 months ago)
Emma-jane D22 (3 months ago)
Just let you all know that he has since done many interviews and have said that the original 5 are not safe anymore
Emma-jane Desborough Which interview was that ?, can you send me a link please.
Chris Switzer (3 months ago)
Just another random guess/theory about GOT this guy has no idea how it wil end those letters mean nothing this a show not a book also i have no idea why true fans of the show want to watch all these theory vids. I didn’t watch this vid or any others I like to think for myself
Timothy Young (3 months ago)
Great video man!! ❤️❤️
Rob Brown (3 months ago)
So, Daenerys, Arya, Jon, Bran, and Tyrian are the supposed survivors (from GRRM's original point of view). Strangely, those are the key survivors I have been expecting. But I am intrigued that the tv stories have strayed so far from GRRM's original plan. (Perhaps the books have too; I have not read any of them.) So I wonder where the tv series will actually conclude. Lots to watch in Season Eight.
Tushar Saini (3 months ago)
I love ur accent
NP H (3 months ago)
Fire And Blood dude please speak slowly . Nice accent but slowly.. there are many people who watch your videos whose mother tongue is not English.
Fire And Blood (3 months ago)
Thank you so much!
Ken Donato (3 months ago)
seeing him talk up a romantic love between Jon and Arya "until his real parentage is revealed" leads me to believe his original intent was that Jon was NOT related to to her originally ....
Alakazzam09 (3 months ago)
Yo! If Sansa dies I will be very happy. I hate her so much. Arya should rule the world, riding Nymeria and shooting laser beams out of her eyes!
Alexandra Kimbink (3 months ago)
Alakazzam09 if you stop commenting, I will be very happy
Eldrik Stone (3 months ago)
This letter was from 1993 and surfaced in 2015. It (the story) has drastically changed since then. The new triangle will be Tyrion, Dany and Jon and I really don’t see Bran surviving as Jojen Reed told him that he would die in a previous season just not yet, but he would know when the end was coming. Arya probably will survive but I think Sansa might have replaced her in that plan.
Kristina Katic (3 months ago)
No Sansa :(
Fire And Blood (3 months ago)
Cliffe FC (3 months ago)
This orginal outline is nonsense in my opinion i think this because it was created 25 years ago things have changed, and D and D are now in charge and they ve foreshadowed a few deaths among those 5, the reason their all still alive is because they are the main characters and they were always meant to be the end game but doesn't mean they ll still survive
Nexis 1 (3 months ago)
Cliffe FC I also disagree when people say Dany crucified people that makes her evil. I don't see it that way in the slightest, I see it as Dany Character reacting and taking the bate after the master murdered 173 children on the road to meereen. There is no doubt about it , the majority of the masters were evil sick men, thats not even up for debate. The way I see it, if youre a part of a brutal regime you deserve the same fate as that regime. I guess we will never agree about Danys Character, but I'm always going to defend her regardless of the dogmatic exaggerated perception her critics put out against her.
Nexis 1 (3 months ago)
Cliffe FC I also respectfully disagree with you about who started the bitterness first , the Dany hate started nearly two years ago when certain videos were put online by Stannis fans slamming Danys character. The hate reached it peak last year during episode 4 and 5 when Dany was being attacked by Stannis Sansa Jamie Cercei and Jon's fans. The Sansa hate only developed after last season and the hate was started by Jon snow fans and Arya fans who didn't like the way her character was acting towards there personal favourites. Danys fans did jump on the Sansa bandwagon of hate but like I said , it was started by Jon and Aryas fan groups, not Danys. Of course people are entitled to there opinions, but when those opinions become distorted just to slam a Character for the sake of rivalry, thats when I have a problem. It the same old strategy, if you repeat something enough the sheep are going to believe that negative perception of Danys Character and to some degree it works.
Nexis 1 (3 months ago)
Cliffe FC Yes many fans do attack Dany fanbase in those forums and some of its disgraceful. A lot of Danys fans are young girls who are new to the internet and some of them get attacked in the most despicable way you can imagine. Some of the comments are directly targeted at danys fanbase just to make woman feel shitty about themselves, it's happens all over the forum's. Troll males who have chosen Dany as a figure of feminist hatred, so they go online to stir up women, you clearly dont understand the psychology behind some of the comments in the forum's. When Danys fan says that all Danys haters are Misogynistic , I can see why they have come to that conclusion. I'm not saying that all Dany hater are misogynistic in the forum but many of them are. When somebody types Danys is a useless [email protected]#£@ who is nothing without her dragons, we know thats not true, because that not the storyline GRRM has written. So it's clear to me there is something more which is driving that hatred.
Nexis 1 (3 months ago)
Cliffe FC And no I'm not a feminist , I actually dislike feminist with a passion. But when certain males go online with the sole purpose to stir up young women and troll them on certain sites like Tumblr that makes them even worst.
Cliffe FC (3 months ago)
Nexis 1 I believe you about those other sites bet their well aggressive I can imagine and I don't deny we attack dany fans too, we ve done it lots, that's another problem as well proclaiming 😂 I hate it when people do that lol that happens a lot ik what you mean
Nic Ortega (3 months ago)
Thank all the gods most of this didn't come to life. It's been years and 7 seasons of the incest triangle and it's never going to seem normal. Jon and arya or arya and tyrion? Dany bitter for her brother's death? thank the gods!!! awesome video bro!
Mel*of*Winterfell (3 months ago)
If those 5 characters live, that will be a great "B word" ending to me, if any of those die, except maybe Bran, would be a tragedy not the b word.😏 (Imo) I really like the version you read too. Obviously I like what it turned into better, like I'm sure everyone will agree. It is definitely EPIC! So a big thank you to GRRM for the epic book series, but I hope he finishes WoW in 2019. I know some people think he is waiting for the show to end but I just don't agree. It's been since 2011 the last book was released. He has actually had 26 years with this Epic Fantasy rolling around that genius brain. I just hope he isn't bored with it. He says if he knows the ending he loses interest, so he says. I am looking forward to Fire and Blood in November.
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Mel*of*Winterfell (3 months ago)
anycullen21 I agree!
anycullen21 (3 months ago)
I want volume 2 more cuz I want to see the Targaryen version of the Rebellion, cuz Im tired of hearing all that Stark and Baratheon bullshit where they're the "good heroes". No one is an angel in this story
Mel*of*Winterfell (3 months ago)
anycullen21 Ikr! It is never enough. 😊 I can't believe it's such a large book at 700+ pages(I think).
anycullen21 (3 months ago)
Too bad its only volume 1 of Fire & Blood.....I want volume 2 more
James H (3 months ago)
This means Sansa will be queen .......the. NIGHT QUEEN , remember she knows what men want and “love is always in the eyes”
Not Alfie (3 months ago)
Can you shut the fuck up you dumb slut? No one cares what you think. Marina and the Diamonds suck btw, bitch can't sing for shit.
Marina and the Almonds (3 months ago)
anycullen21 Nice 😀😀😀, Yes the night king deserves far better, The poor night king he will regrate it for eternity making Sansa his queen. Can you imagine living with her constant moaning and whining lol. Sansa will be the MAD QUEEN 2.0. or the NIGHT QUEEN 2.0.
Marina and the Almonds (3 months ago)
James H Yep it's coming, the night queen for Sansa. Sansa doesn't really have anything more to offer the series apart from causing problems for J&D when they show up at Winterfell. Turning Sansa into the NQ would actually make her far more interesting.
Not Alfie (3 months ago)
James H LOL, no. Sansa doesn't have any powers, she's not a warg or a greenseer. In the books Sansa has dreams at one point but that's it.
Alexandra Kimbink (3 months ago)
James H I didn't mean you when talking about better fans - your theory is plausible - but look at some other answers to your comment and maybe you'll understand my frustration with some GOT-fans
Linda W (3 months ago)
Didn't Martin say that the outline is no longer valid?
Pearl (3 months ago)
You know, he didn't actually confirm/deny anything. He said he was "making stuff up" because he had no idea where the story would go, but he also said that he was really, really pissed when it came out. I think that the outline still applies and George has to downplay it and discredit it because he is pissed it was revealed. Why would he be so angry that they released it if he changed the story? The truth is, he didn't really change it that much, just look at the outline: it still applies. Sansa betrays her family to Cersei and regrets it, Joffrey dies, Tyrion grows disillusioned with his family and leaves them and joins their enemies (Dani in Show, Aegon in the book). The outcomes are the same, but the motivations are different: for example, Dani kills Drogo more out of mercy than revenge for Viserys (the books are more clear that Dani learns to use Drogo to accomplish her invasion fantasy, and that she feels tremendous guilt that she approved Visery's death.) Catelyn still gets stabbed to death by her enemies, but they're Freys instead of White Walkers. Jon and Arya have not seen each other in 4+ years, but Jon betrays his Night Watch vows of not getting involved in matters of the kingdoms when he hears that Ramsey Bolton has married Arya: he gets stabbed because he puts together an army to go free Arya and his Night Watch buddies dislike that he broke his vows (it has nothing to do with Wildlings.) So we have no idea where that's gonna go. (The rumor is actually false, Ramsey gets a girl to pose as Arya, as Arya has disappeared and is with the Faceless Men in Bravos, so Jon gets stabbed over false info.) The thing that changed a lot was that Cersei became the evil twin instead of Jaimie, who got the throne by any means necessary (blowing up Sept, eliminating Queen Margeary.) I bet you whatever that last blacked out paragraph says is going to be the actual ending!
Evan Schwartz (3 months ago)
He said that he had to make something up to send to his publisher so that they would buy the book. He said the ending changed since then and these characters aren’t necessarily safe.
Irish Pride (3 months ago)
Evan Schwartz Well he would say that wouldn't he
AKlover (3 months ago)
Rest assured it will be altered now.
MrMusicM67 (3 months ago)
I thought this was old news?
Mondo Gonzo (3 months ago)
Can you find someone who speaks English?
WarriorKing _Always (3 months ago)
We shall see if his original outline holds true.
WarriorKing _Always (3 months ago)
For any who hasn’t seen this, it is GRRM’s original outline.
That's Classic Her (3 months ago)
is there a tl;dr?! i dont have headphones :-(
JesMei (3 months ago)
This is old news
Din Din (3 months ago)
The Melophobian (3 months ago)
so whats date of new season airing
Mike Custer (3 months ago)
jan 2019
angel kaur (3 months ago)
The Melophobian mostly April 2019
Big Boy (3 months ago)
yes, GRRM wife said she would divorce him if he kills Arya so its true
Lord Voldemort (3 months ago)
I think she was talking about Tyrion Lannister, not Arya.
Tamera Shields (3 months ago)
I'm all about Jon Snow now.
anycullen21 (3 months ago)
W He did deny it in the first part of his comment, he said that was no evidence at all. So what? He was just stating what GRRM said it himself in his interview. What his wife does with her promise is her business not mine. The fact that u are defending a guy whos first reaction to smo stating a fact was insulting him for being and idiot who smokes pot, its proof that ur another ass, just like him
W (3 months ago)
Jugger Nyan Not today!
W (3 months ago)
anycullen21 he's not denying that George said that. He's saying his wife will hardly divorce him if he does kill off Arya. This doesn't confirm Aryas fate is what he's saying. Try understanding someone's comment before u end up looking like a complete ass.
Jan van Es (3 months ago)
I won't be happy if Dany doesn't survive...
Tāne Manawa (2 months ago)
Marina and the Almonds Your comments are so full of rhetoric it's near impossible to have a civil discussion with you. My original comment was critical of Dany and I'm not denying that. It was made in response to a previous comment that was much like yours in that it criticised Jon out of some conjured notion that all Jon fans shit on Daenerys' character. The comment I made after the first clearly outlines my observation of his character orginally being in a self-pitying state and bearing an arrogant demenour when he first came to the Night's Watch as he considered his new brother's beneath him. This is the comment I'm referring too: ......... [anycullen21 I wasn't referring to season 1 Jon, he's obviously evolved much beyond his old mopey self. When he first went to the wall, there was a small measure of arrogance about him as he had proper training in comparison to his new brothers. Of course Benjen gave him a reality check. Also I wouldn't consider ambition as his motivation for going to the Wall. Like his uncle, he left because he was the odd one out in the family and didn't receive recognition from anyone. Both Jon and Daenerys had a lot of time to come into their own and command the respect of their allies and followers. My issue is with her self-righteous and self-entitled attitude when she comes to Westeros with 3 dragons and a foreign horde. She doesn't take into consideration the fear and unrest she would stir up by trying to take Westeros by force as opposed to taking a diplomatic approach. On the other hand she does acknowledge the crimes committed by her father and seemed genuine in rebuilding ties between her house and others. "Those ppl she forces to bend the knee are the same muthafuckers who benefited from her familys or allies demise." In some cases yes. But would that warrant executing a son who's duty was to follow his father? I'm referring to the Tarly's who were indeed Targaryen loyalists during Robert's Rebellion. You might say that they deserved it because Randyll Tarly chose to side with Cersei, but regardless it was still the wrong move and isn't something that inspires loyalty or promotes sympathy towards her cause.] ......... You continuously and likely intentionally disregard my opinion as to why Daenerys should take certain measures to assure her people that she is not her father. "She doesn't take into consideration the fear and unrest she would stir up by trying to take Westeros by force as opposed to taking a diplomatic approach." And following this I have given her praise where it is due: "On the other hand she does acknowledge the crimes committed by her father and seemed genuine in rebuilding ties between her house and others." You've stated that I have painted Dany's character out of context. Now I have acknowledged the fact that her heart isn't solely intent on intent on "claiming her birthright and having people bend the knee to her." Your intention of calling me out on my original post is warranted, yet in-articulated in a manner that befits a civil argument. If you want to critique my criticism of Dany, according to your opinion (me shitting on her for the sake of shitting), you should also acknowledge that the comment preceding my original one was doing just what you apparently despise, in that case shitting on Jon for the sake of it. The difference is is that I was not giving Dany unwarrented criticsm. My first comment suggested the criticism, which as I stated before was the burning of Randyll and Dickon. Again, my reasoning for that is a) This further solidifies Cersei's propoganda that Dany is indeed just like her father, and b) burning prisoners of war alive isn't a decent thing to do, especially by our standards, and won't serve to make your future subjects remain loyal to you nor love you including current supporters. Lastly, I've made it quite apparent that I like Daenerys' as a character, that doesn't mean I have to like all her decisions, elsewise where would be the fun in that? You are intent on making me out to be a Dany hater but GoT is quite black and white for me in regards to where my interest lies. I either like a character, or I hate them. The Hound has does some bad shit, but I like him. Same with Beric and Thoros, in knowingly selling Gendry to Melisandre to be executed. However at the core of their characters they are obviously fighting for the side of the living and hence are "good" in terms of GoT's morality. "Sorry but you clearly put Jon on a pedestal". I've denied this claim a couple times before and I ask you again to provide evidence. In one of my last comments I reflected that question onto you. Can you come to terms with doing the same for Dany? Show less
Marina and the Almonds (2 months ago)
Tāne Manawa Of course you hate Danys Character, your little hack job in you're original post says it all. Just reread what you wrote, pure dicksucking Jon snow cheerleading from LoL. You tried to troll and now you are showing yourself to be a hypocrite by going back on what you original posted. First you tried to paint Danys Character out context, now you have accepted you were talking BS and trolling from the very beginning LoL. Sorry but you clearly put Jon on a pedestal, Jon was more then happy to break the nightams watch code in the books and leave his follow brothers behind. It was Dany who stayed in meereen when the shit hit the fans because she deeply cares about her People. From my experience Danys critics are a bunch of snowflakes , they cry about the smallest things possible just to beat Dany over the head with. You people are clearly bitter and salty , just like you were when you saw the OP about Dany surviving 😀😀. You know what fuck the golden boy Dole, I have no interest in his Character.
Tāne Manawa (2 months ago)
Marina and the Almonds The first thing I should point out is that you misquoted me. I never made a correlation between Jon's battle against the White Walkers and Daenery's conquest of Westeros. While the White Walkers are certainly the bigger threat compared to Cersei, I understand that Dany was not aware of that threat before season 7. I've just read over my original comment and I see where you would think I was criticizing her. When I say "silly game", I'm not only using Jon's words, but I'm placing the fight for the Iron Throne and the battle against the White Walkers into perspective. One is clearly greater than the other which in comparison seems quite trivial. I made the comment that Viserys (as well as others) influenced Dany to think that she had to take the Iron Throne, though of course this was after her brother died and she was left heir apparent. Also I hear you when you make the point that "Dany is basically a victim of her own circumstance." There very well maybe an underlying motive to her wanting the Iron Throne (her sense of duty to her house in wanting to claim the throne as opposed to ambition and revenge). When I speak of Jon's character, it should go without saying that I refer to his current demeanor. Of course Jon was entitled when he first came to the wall, and yes we do see that. He openly proclaims that he is better than the Nights watchmen that he's fighting, due to his training with Ser Rodrik as Alliser Thorne suggests. And I don't believe he threatened to leave, though you'd have to refer me to the season and episode. He did try to desert in order to fight with Robb in Season 1 Episode 10, but I do think that's something any one of us could sympathize with. Like I've said before, I don't put Jon on a pedestal and I will continue to denounce that claim. And if you think I'm putting him on a pedestal, what would you say your doing for Dany (such as not highlighting her faults and not recognizing Jon's good aspects)? I also didn't quote you as saying Jon is "morally corrupt". I was making the assumption that that's what you were suggesting when you said "Jon is a cunning dark grey character in the books". Your statement seemed to imply that he was below the normally morally ambiguous standard set in the books and show. I've given you a Jaime quote that roughly says "You follow one oath you break another". Yes, Jon did betray Mance (I assume you mean how in the show he didn't do much in the way of preventing his execution), but his reasoning was that he was always true to the Night's Watch (and by extension his sworn loyalty to Mance was a lie). I wonder what your stance on Ned Stark is? Did you always despise his foolish honor or did you like him at the start? I personally don't find Jon that boring, although I found his romance with Dany to be somewhat forced upon audiences. In my original comment, I seem to praise Jon, which I suppose you could say I did. My judgement on him compared with Daenerys is that, like I have stated, he is the archetypal 'hero' character. Meaning that he is, for the most part, selfless and foolishly honorable in that he would rather tell the truth rather than lie so that he and his allies might have an advantage (I am of course referring to his conversation with Cersei in the dragonpit). But aside from that Jon Snow, like all other characters, is morally ambiguous. All have the capacity for good and evil which is one of the most enticing aspects of the book and television series. Jon's foolishness at the BotB is something I personally don't blame him for. Again it is because I can see it from his perspective and sympathize with him. He just saw his brother (cousin) die in front of him and in that moment of pure anger he made a stupid move. You say that I was triggered that people like Daenerys' character. If I've given any indication that I hate Dany's character or that she is evil then quote me on it because I surely do not. I like Dany as a character, despite not agreeing on her methods of executing and altogether killing the Tarly's. This is the beauty of GoT, you won't always agree with character choices (which as I said makes the series more enticing). In your first comment you stated "Time for Jon snow to get the same treatment Danys been getting from Jon snow fans." It was from that comment I assumed that your points were based purely on frustration from Jon fans giving Dany crap for her decisions or otherwise. Also, how is he a "Complete hypocrite with no honour"? I would say he is at least one of few characters that tries to uphold honour (hence his foolishness) and would be willing to admit when he is wrong rather than critisize those who make the same mistakes.
Marina and the Almonds (3 months ago)
Tāne Manawa You say "you come to the conclusion that Dany wants the iron throne when you read the books", youre completely missing the point and clearly haven't paid any attention to Danys POV and inner struggles and monologues. Danys entitlement comes from Visery , it's a forced dream pushed onto her at a young age. We will get it all back sweet sister Visery told Dany over and over again. Dany lost that dream and went with her own dream when she fell in love with drogo. Dany dream has always been family children and regaining that lost childhood she never had, symbolic of the house with the red door. She then went back to Visery dream when she lost drogo and her child as the only identity she has ever known before that, Dany believes she can't have children anymore, her dream of family and home was lost. Dany feels the weight of the greatest dynasty ever known on her back, the pressure of being the last Targaryen. We see Danys inner conflict all the time, we see it in her dream circles, Fact is Dany doesn't want the iron throne in the slightest, it the weight of Visery dream and the pressure of house Targaryen and her not being able to have children which has made her rightly or wrongly take that path. Dany is basically a victim of her own circumstance. Plus I personally don't have a problem with Dany being ambitious, people make too much of it. Its not Dany fault that Jon is a socialist and wants to sit on his arse all day twiddling his thumbs scratching his ass and playing with his direwolf lol. Actually come to think of it, we have seen jons entitlement also, when Jon wasnt picked as ranger he through his toys out the pram and started bitching about how he was greatest swordman ever and was threatening to leave the Night's Watch , so Jons entitled also lol. You also said "it's Jon selflessness and willingness to deal with the real threat where Dany just plays games". Was Dany aware of the white walkers like Jon was? NO IS THE ANSWER, the second Dany become aware of the white walkers she stopped pursuing the iron throne and aligned herself with Jon, so again, don't be putting that walking cliché jon on a pedestal. If Jon was raised in Esso and never experienced the white walkers he would of told Dany to piss off and don't let the door hit you on the way out, Put Jon is Danys shoes. Also I didn't say Jon was JUST dark and cunning, thats just one side to Jon's personally, that's what makes Jon a balance and gray Character. I also didn't say Jon was morally corrupt. You can't get away from the fact that Jon's sidedark does surface, like the whole Val and Ygritte affair and the baby swap with Gilly and the hypocrisy swearing his loyalty to Mance only to betray him. I thought Jon was meant to be honourable, Jons hypocrisy was seen when he couldn't lie to Cercei in the finale, what happened to Val Ygritte and Mance lol. I actually don't hate jon , but I do find him incredibly boring cliche one dimensional with no real personally and a bit of a hypocrite and spineless like his father NED. Maybe if Jano had the name Dickon we could of related to him and humanised him lol. What i do HATE is when certain people like youself put Jon on a pedestal, you clearly got triggered by the fact that others like Danys Character, just read your pathetic original post, trying to tell us how Jons is the second coming of Jesus christ and how Jon walks on water and Jon the greatest of all time and Danys evil, your cheerleading got exposed. I say this to you "F Jon", he's a simple minded brooding child who lacks charisma, who gets everyone killed around him because of his stupidity and his lack of leadership to inspire confidence in others. Jon saved the wildlings only to have them brutally murdered at the battle of the bastard because of his impulsiveness and not keeping his cool. Jon should be the last people who rules, stupidity and honour are a bad mix.
Tāne Manawa (3 months ago)
Marina and the Almonds I have read the books and I certainly did not reach the conclusion that she doesn't want the Iron Throne "in the slightest", elsewise why would she pursue it? My criticism of Dany is derived from her characterization on the show. In both the books and show we clearly see her influenced by the people around her, such as Viserys who convinced young Dany that the people of Westeros were waiting for the return of their rightful ruler. I never said Jon was honorable, I said he's the closest thing in Westeros which im sure you will agree is a place seriously lacking in honour. How is he worse than Dany in the books, doesn't that diminish your statement about all characters being grey? Also I haven't put him on a pedestel, if you think I have then quote me so I can understand your point. You say "Jon is a cunning dark grey character in the books" and in the next sentence say all of GRRMs characters are grey. Isn't that contradictory? If you've evidence as to why you think Jon is cunning and morally corrupt (which is what I assume you mean by dark grey) then present it. You said in a previous comment "I'm just going to shit on Jon's character everywhere I go from now on, just like Jon fans do to Dany". Am I to assume from this statement that your points on how Jon is bad comes purely from your percieved reaction of certain Jon fans towards Dany, and that you don't believe any of your established points? Edit: You also haven't atrempted to see things from my perspective, which I have done for you. I even give show Dany the benefit of the doubt, yet you seem to have an intense hatred for either Jon and/or his fans
Gregor THE BIG (3 months ago)
It is, George, in fact “EPIC”
Adam Espinoza (3 months ago)
Inb4 click bait
petar komar (3 months ago)
i like your voice pal
petar komar (3 months ago)
Alexandra Kimbink (3 months ago)
anycullen21 I never said that Cersei didn't have an advantage because of Sansa - but Sansa did not plan on betraying Ned - she had no idea that going to Cersei is dangerous - she did not go to Cersei with the plan "oh perhaps they can kill off my father or punish him in another way" - and Ned failed to educate her - and as I said before: Ned wanted to send his daughters away so as soon as they were gone do you think that he could have lived a healthy and save life in KL?
Alexandra Kimbink (3 months ago)
1montrealfan you're stupid - if she wanted power so much she would have arranged to have Bran and Arya killed instead of LF - maybe she'll die in the last episodes but she won't die because of backstabbing her family
1montrealfan (3 months ago)
anycullen21 she would kill everyone in her family that’s still alive if it helps with her plans or ideas I think she’s planning on backstabbing Jon
anycullen21 (3 months ago)
"Littlefinger made the arrangements. We needed Slynt's gold cloaks. Eddard Stark was plotting with Renly and he'd written to Lord Stannis, offering him the throne. We might have lost all. Even so, it was a close thing. If Sansa hadn't come to me and told me all her father's plans..." Even Cersei knows how significant Sansa was in bringing down Ned. That right there is ur evidence, am i making it up? "A Monster has out brother, we have to save him.............naaaaaah, fuck Rickon hes dead meat, we cant save him, I dont know, I dont know, I dont know...........oh wait I know Lord Bolton will die tomorrow cuz I already called another army behind ur back....oops" Sure she neveeeeer betrayed anyone.
Alexandra Kimbink (3 months ago)
anycullen21 Sansa did not betray her family
Ben Clarks (3 months ago)
I think this is false as this was his plan to end his book not the TV show and some events are altered plus i have seen some other theorist denounce it it some of their videos but there is that slim possibility it can happen but if it was true i would rather have sansa fall in love with Jon, not Arya
reeghae solomon (3 months ago)
its interesting how it was outlined and it all make sense now
Etahn Doaln (3 months ago)
i agree
Etahn Doaln (3 months ago)
why would Ralph leak it :(
PBR Streetgang (3 months ago)
This has been out for years...still, interesting.
Tyrion Lann (3 months ago)
i dont wanna see Jaime dying
Marina and the Almonds (3 months ago)
Tyrion Lann I do, can't stand Jamie
Tas (3 months ago)
First Dislike this is old news and GRRM said in an interview many things changed.
Dorian Gipson (3 months ago)
April Interrupted Arya will survive since that’s his wife favorite character
April Interrupted (3 months ago)
Tas Yes, it has been talked about alot, shared, and George pretty much confirmed that alot of things have and will change. I personally hope Jon, Tyrion, Dany, and Arya survive though.
dark light (3 months ago)
when you know the video is finna be good so you like it before watching
Lmao Lit (3 months ago)
the hype is real
Winter Stark-Targaryen (3 months ago)
Liked !!now listening 😄❤️❤️
dark light (3 months ago)
Winter Stark-Targaryen same ❤️
Sophie Ema (3 months ago)
Arya Stark and Jon Snow in love? Lmfao thank god he changed his mind 😂
DeadlyRecon (3 months ago)
Pearl We weren't debating the morality of the blood relation - that had already been addressed numerous times. We were debating the compatibility of their character traits and personalities.
Pearl (3 months ago)
angelique mercado 😂😂😂"Yea cuz his aunt was a way better choice" My entire overly-long argument summarized in a sentence 👍, seriously!
DeadlyRecon (3 months ago)
Pearl While there is a lot of info there, you also seem to be entirely forgetting Daenerys' story, her development as a character, and the parallels she shares with Jon. I'm not a supporter of Jon/Daenerys because I am a Daenerys fan. While yes, it's true she is my favorite character (my damn spirit animal, I swear lol), that opinion has nothing to do with my views on pairings. I genuinely think they would work well together. If I didn't think so, I wouldn't support it at all. Jon/Daenerys, both in the books and the show, would work because of just how similar their stories are, and how alike their struggles have been. Their stories almost perfectly parallel each other. Daenerys was an outcast in the form of an exile, the last Targaryen alive after her brother's death. She used her lineage as a Targaryen to push herself forward and make something of herself in the world, the Iron Throne being the one thing driving her because nothing else will. Jon, seeing as he was the outcast in the form of a bastard, used the Night's Watch as his passion, rising up to become Lord Commander and, in a way, rise up higher in the social ladder than any bastard is ever expected to. Both of them became loved and hated by their people - Daenerys with the people of Slaver's Bay, and Jon with the brothers of the Night's Watch. Both learned the hardships of governance while in their positions of leadership. Both fell in love only to have their partners die. Both of them care deeply for the common people, and not only those under their direct rule. And both of them enjoy ruling. Jon in the show is different in this regard, but his book version actually WANTED to be a leader. He often wished he wasn't a bastard and could be the lord of Winterfell (and not only because of minor reasons like Val). It is why he wanted to be Lord Commander - it was the only opportunity he thought he had. You also seem to forget Jon's relationship with Ygritte was not without faults either, just how Daenerys' with Drogo wasn't at all perfect. Ygritte was TOO wild. Too much like Arya. Ygritte was pushy, a bit selfish, and her coldness to those outside of the Free Folk is what eventually made Jon to choose the Night's Watch over her. Daenerys was in the same boat with Drogo, who you can say is similar to Ygritte. Too wild. Controlling and Dominant. While Daenerys loved him just like Jon loved Ygritte, she chose her destiny and dragons over him (proven by her decision to leave him when in the House of the Undying). Even if he hadn't died, Drogo was still a ruthless warlord, who conflicted with Daenerys on significant moral issues (such as slavery). She had convinced him to cross the Narrow Sea and fight for the Iron Throne, proving that was more important to her. Drogo and Ygritte (who you can say were both similar to Arya in some aspects) were both too wild for Daenerys and Jon. Too much ICE. Now, there is Jon with Val and Daenerys with Daario. While there are some minor differences, both Val and Daario are incredibly similar - the epiphany of warrior spirits. But just as similarly, both of them promote the warrior ethos TOO much. Unlike Val, Daenerys would never condone the killing of a child - her direct orders to the Unsullied to spare any and all children in Astapor was proof of this. And Jon, unlike Daario, would never betray his compatriots nor give little care for the common people. Daario never cared much for the slaves of Slaver's Bay, nor did he care much for the general wellbeing of the region and its people. All he really cared(?) about was Daenerys and being a strong warrior. Val was similar in this regard as well. Daenerys and Jon are incompatible with Daario and Val for the same reasons. They are too much FIRE. There is nothing more than lust and affection in both pairings. Jon and Daenerys are a LOT more similar to each other than you think. Both have big, but Humanly flawed hearts. Neither of them are perfect people, but they are both good and imperfect im the same ways.
angelique mercado (3 months ago)
Yea cuz his aunt was a way better choice 😂
Pearl (3 months ago)
James Gravil , DeadlyRecon In this original plot leak, GRRM planned to have a 5 year time jump, so Arya would have been the same age Dani is in the books now. He then decided to expand the books into a longer series and wrote in the five years. So Arya would not have been a child when she fell in love with Jon even in this outline. Also, it looks like they'd "be tormented by their love until Jon's true parentage is revealed," meaning they probably wouldn't have gotten together until they knew they weren't brother/sister anyway. So I don't think it would have been an issue for HBO anyway.
Jon Stark (3 months ago)
Another FABulous videos! Thank you Fire And Blood

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